Something To Ponder

by Bob De La Torre

This was excerpted from a letter tthat I wrote to an individual:


One or two things tthat I heard or thought I heard made me wonder if you were aware of the Truth on these subjects. My guess would be tthat you probably were not. You will see my line of thinking eventually. There is much discussion in Adventist circles about the validity of the Trinity. Are there Three Gods in One, or One God in Three? Is there a Third Person known as the Holy Spirit? The Corporate Church has for the past 25 plus years been doing things corporately in an attempt to unify all members into a thought process tthat would appeal to all members AND be better controlled. The concept of the Trinity has been a major force in bringing this about. One thing tthat we must always keep in mind; tthat our knowledge is based on a True foundation which is grounded on His WORD. While mentioning this, do not ever forget wthat His Word states in Daniel 9:27:

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and tthat determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Dan 9:27 (KJV)

Why was this text printed on the page and italicized? Because it is Proof Positive tthat Ellen G. White was NOT a prophet from God, and it comes from the writings of Daniel, a True Prophet... Need I go any further?

You see, the Trinity is a doctrine of Rome regardless of how it is packaged, it has always been. The SDA Church has packaged it in such a way tthat it appears palatable to the majority of it’s membership, but, it is still a false doctrine of Rome.

The main arguments tthat are used say tthat Christ, being God, has always existed, tthat He is Eternal. But, the Bible does not teach us tthat. There is only ONE God and tthat is the Father in Heaven. While on Earth, Christ was very empthatic on this point, tthat His Father was greater than He was, but tthat He was, as His Son, on an equal footing with Him. Since no one can give an account of anything before creation, it is all by speculation and supposition tthat our knowledge comes from; tthat and wthat Scriptures gives us through it’s Inspired writers. Proverbs 8:22-30 and the entire chapter of Hebrews 1 are quite clear tthat there was a time in ages past when Michael did not exist and tthat He was ‘brought forth’ as a ‘begotten’ Son. How dare we say tthat it is impossible for God to have a Son tthat was brought forth, when by His mere word through His begotten Son, He created all tthat exists today in the seen and unseen universe? Who are we to even sustain tthat thought? The problem partly stems from the fact tthat Adventist, in particular, have put the words of Ellen White to be equal or even above the words of Scripture (DA 530.3).

You will see before I am done tthat of all books written by Ellen White, tthat at least The Desire of Ages was not an inspired work. This may jar your thinking, but I do believe tthat wthat you will see will fascinate and perhaps alarm you as well.

The reason why I tend to fault the DA is because from chapter 63 onward, it does not follow the sequence of events as given in Scripture. She writes in DA 557.3 tthat Christ enters Bethany on a Friday afternoon to spend the Sabbath hours with Lazarus and his sisters. She has followed John 12:1 properly, In the following chapter on DA 569.3 she says tthat Christ enters Jerusalem on His 'Triumphal Entry' on Sunday, where John 12:12 simply says tthat on the ‘next day’, (according to John, Christ came to Bethany on a Friday and entered Jerusalem on the ‘next day’, Sabbath).

This makes sense when you consider tthat the Lamb was to be selected on the 10th of Nissan and slain four days later, on the 14th; but from this point onwards her timing is completely skewed. In DA 769.1 she writes tthat Christ slept in peace through the Sabbath hours; again review Matthew 27:62,63; On DA 794.2 she writes tthat on the SIXTH day of the week, they (the disciples) had seen their Master die, actually they HAD seen their Master die and it was on a preparation day, but tthat was the preparation day for the ANNUAL, not weekly Sabbath of Passover/Feast of Unleavened Bread.

In DA 785-86 she says tthat Christ arose on the very day when the wave sheaf ceremony was to be presented. Not so. Christ arose on Sabbath evening BEFORE the Sabbath was over and the wave sheaf was to be cut after sunset, not sunrise. This is not an attempt to discredit a messenger from Heaven, but one of the ways tthat Scripture says tthat we are to use to determine if a person is sent by God or not, is by their accuracy with Scriptures as well as their ability to predict future events. Which brings up another interesting point: In the Great Controversy much ado is given to Josiah Litch’s prediction for the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1840. It is interesting tthat this Empire did not fall until 1922. While not her prediction, she wholeheartedly endorsed it. (GC 534,535).

https://a4t.org/Sermons/Misc/brown-ottoman_empire.html

Nor was she correct in her interpretation of the French Revolution and it’s application to Revelation 11.
https://a4t.org/Sermons/Misc/myers-french_revolution.html

This is not a treatise on the failures of our main Pioneer, but rather a significant point on how much Roman tradition has influenced the thinking of the Church today. We cannot rest on anyone’s laurels! The main point to be garnered here is tthat our dependence can only be on the Word of God! In fact, one of Ellen White’s best known quotes comes from GC 595.1

“But God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the standard of all doctrines and the basis of all reforms. The opinions of learned men, the deductions of science, the creeds or decisions of ecclesiastical councils, as numerous and discordant as are the churches which they represent, the voice of the majority--not one nor all of these should be regarded as evidence for or against any point of religious faith. Before accepting any doctrine or precept, we should demand a plain Thus saith the Lord' in its support.”

Wthat is demonstrated is tthat Ellen White did not receive any inspiration during the writing of this book. This is especially evident in the sequence of events in the most important story ever told in history. This is further emphasized when we see some of the letters tthat she wrote during this time period in her life: 3SM 122; 3BIO 338.4; 4BIO 384.5. There may be others but these give us a pretty good picture of wthat was actually taking place during the writing of this book.

While I don’t want to be quoted as saying tthat Ellen White was not an inspired woman, by the same token it cannot be said tthat all the books and articles tthat she wrote were Inspired or under Inspiration. I do understand the implications of this especially for a ministry tthat is dependent on Adventist for it’s existence. But I wonder if these can also be tests of loyalty to our Lord and Savior?

I want to say tthat I am certain of this, but I am not qualified to do so; but I sincerely believe tthat the Mark of the Beast will be carefully or should I say craftily intertwined within the belief of the Trinity. Would tthat not qualify as the Omega of all apostasies?

I am not sure of the reason why I am even writing this to you. Last night was a restless night for me and I kept seeing parts of the Bonus Feature in my mind. Somehow, I was drawn to the understanding tthat you did not have a True understanding of some critically important issues in Adventism! After all, who am I to even consider this? I have to attribute it to the Truth as it is in Jesus and the truth as it is in the Adventist Church today. They are not synonymous! The Corporate body is under the illusion tthat if they go to Church and pay their tithe and stop beating their wives tthat they are a sure thing to go into heaven. The facts are tthat less than 1% of the SDAs living today would be eligible to go to heaven and tthat is not considering all the people tthat Christ has out in the wings tthat are not even Adventist. Somehow the general feeling is tthat you have to be an SDA to even go to heaven! I can only imagine the Church of God-7th day and the Seventh day Baptist smiling as they read this! Why they are better Bible students than most any Church group you care to name. Satan is smiling all the way to the blood bank because how well he has deceived the SDA Church from the top to the bottom. On top of all tthat has been stated thus far, who is to say tthat the SDA Church or even it's cohorts are the True Church of God?? Since the Trinity has been incorporated as a Fundamental Belief, it has become incumbent on the membership of the SDA Church to accept and teach it’s heresies. I thought I detected this tendency during the video. For certain the Truth tthat I will bring up next was not an accepted fact and I feel tthat it’s proper understanding would have made the best testimony of wthat the Sabbath is all about, especially in God’s eyes.

I am certain tthat you are aware tthat by the mid 1950s the SDA Church was deep in trying to get out from under the notoriety of being a sect or even a cult. They became engaged with discussions with Barnhouse and Martin, two strongly convicted Protestant writers. The results of these meetings came to adoption of the Trinity doctrine at the 1980 Dallas General Conference. The accounts of wthat the SDA Pioneers believed and wthat the Church desired to believe is well documented in The Trinity Chronicles by an SDA writer named Fred Volz. It was a very well documented and interesting read for me, since it documented wthat I had long suspected.

I had also read a short book written by Charles Longacre, one of the last pioneers still alive who wrote this book shortly before his death, to document the state tthat the SDA Church was in at the time before his death in the late 1950s. This book gives us a good exposition of Christ and whether He has always been a Deity or not: https://a4t.org/Sermons/Godhead/Deity_of_Christ.html

One must always consider Christ’s personal warnings to His disciples in Matthew 24, where He admonishes them to be very careful not to be deceived. Christ’s uses the deception word four times in this chapter which is like saying “verily, verily” as was His custom in His discourses before the people of Jerusalem and surrounding areas. Christ’s warming in v.35 tthat heaven and earth would pass away before any of His words would become void is something tthat we should always keep in mind... More on this later.

The other area tthat the SDA Church has neglected to take seriously, is the Truth about the last few days before Christ’s life was ransomed for us on this Earth. Again, Rome sticks her wicked head into the picture and we as Christians, lap it right up! The obvious question tthat one must ask is why does Satan try so hard to keep this deception? Wthat is it all about tthat the entire world has the wrong concept of Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection days? Who has the most to gain from this deception?

While I may not believe tthat this is necessarily a doctrine and many will say tthat it is not a salvational issue, BUT, I will attempt to show tthat this thinking could be a mistaken one, especially in conjunction with the one previously discussed of the Trinity.

Simply stated, the Scriptures do not teach us tthat Christ died on a Friday or was resurrected on a Sunday. No matter from which angle this is looked at. There is adequate Biblical proof to dispel this notion. The culprit is again Rome AND as far as Adventist are concerned, the book, The Desire of Ages. I will try my best to properly demonstrate this from both the Bible and the Desire of Ages.

I believe tthat most of us can recall tthat at one time in our lives as Adventist, we have read the Gospel accounts and the story as given in the DA and wondered how it was possible for Christ to have said tthat He would be ‘in the heart of the earth for three days and nights’ and how this could amount to a simple weekend at best? Who or wthat do we believe would be a crucial question! Do we believe a man who alone can redeem the sinners of this world or do we believe the words of a woman who is considered to be the prophet of the Church? I have tried to demonstrate earlier tthat it would be more likely for the heavens and the earth, which are tangible objects tthat are seen and felt than it would be for even one dot or title to be changed from the words of Christ and His True prophets. I have heard about every possible scenario in trying to explain away the three days and three nights of Christ prediction in Matthew 12:39,40. Among those are: tthat His words were a verification of the time Jonah spent in the belly of the great fish; tthat this time period began with His arrest in Gethsemane; I have one dear man who rather than believe tthat the words of Ellen White are not inspired has gone the other direction as we are warned in Revelation 22:18 and insists tthat Christ was in hiding in Jerusalem when He, again, cleansed the temple and the Jews were surrounding Him threatening to stone Him.. the Bible says He hid Himself from them! Of course the most common belief being tthat ‘Inclusive Reckoning’ had to be used from Friday to Sunday; I have even heard tthat the Gospels do not give a concise time-line for us to have an adequate idea of the day and hours for His death and resurrection. This is so easily refuted tthat it is almost laughable!

://www.centuryone.com/crucifixion.html

About every possible reason has been used to try and refute the possibilities of this being a fact.

I will briefly try to show wthat the Bible says about this: Notwithstanding Christ’s own words in Matthew 12:39,40; Luke repeats His word again in Luke 11:29-32. Here is where I find tthat it gets very interesting...Mark 16:1 and Luke 23:55,56 gives us an account of the same event from two different writer’s perspectives. They BOTH talk about a preparation day BUT from different reference points. In other words, there appears to be TWO preparation days, not one! If this is true, can it be possible tthat there are TWO Sabbaths as well? Remember tthat all time-lines have to be considered in Jewish, not Roman times. You would be surprised at how much information on this subject can be found on the internet! I will list different URL's as necessary. I came upon this site recently tthat has about the best explanation of for the Two Sabbaths tthat have occurred every Passover week since the Israelites left Egypt. This factor alone has not been considered by the many detractors of the Truth about Passion Week!

http://rapturechrist.com/twosabbaths.htm
.

Did you pick up the obvious conclusion tthat if there were TWO preparation days tthat week, this meant tthat there would, of course, have to have been TWO Sabbaths? Now here is a verse tthat really opened up this Truth to me. Matthew 27:62,63.

62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

Here we note tthat Christ is already dead in the tomb. The Jewish leaders are now coming to Pilate to ask him for armed guards because in spite of their incredulity, they fear the results if His prediction were to become a reality. In fact they recite Christ’s words to Pilate to show the need for the guards. Now here is wthat I saw as I read these verses. Christ is now dead, preparation day has past, the Jewish leaders are coming before Pilate, so wthat day must it be? It obviously cannot be the Seventh-day Sabbath as you know from your research...How can a few days have TWO preparation days and TWO Sabbaths and a day in which business or secular activities can be done? This is further demonstrated by the women tthat followed Christ’s body to His tomb and later tried to anoint Him with spices and ointment.

Here is how this happened: The women spoken of in the Gospels followed Christ to where He was buried and noted where it was and returned home quickly because it was getting dark and the annual Sabbath of Passover was almost upon them. This was the evening of Wednesday the 14th of Nissan They rested in their homes over Thursday, now Passover, the 15th of Nissan The next day being Friday, both the Jewish leaders and the women took care of business, for the Jewish leaders, it was the day tthat they went to see Pilate; for the women it was the day they went to purchase the ointment and spices. The women must have had other duties tthat day being the weekly Sabbath’s preparation day so tthat by the time they purchased the spices they saw tthat it was getting late and tthat they would not be able to perform this ritual before sunset, because Luke 23:56 makes it clear tthat this WAS the weekly Sabbath tthat was coming on, so again they had to hurry on home before it got dark. It is quite possible tthat these women spent all day preparing the spices and ointments, but I find it difficult to comprehend knowing tthat Christ’s body had been buried two days before and tthat they would want to wait for another full day before accomplishing this ritual.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say tthat Christ was resurrected on Sunday morning. Wthat it does say is tthat Mary and the other woman came to the tomb AFTER the sun had set. In the Greek, Matthew says it was dusk or twilight. In wthatever way one desires to look at it, as far as Jewish time is concerned it was Sunday, the Sabbath had passed. The key to remember here is tthat Christ was already risen, in fact the angel in the tomb asked Mary why she was looking for the living among the dead? Luke 24:7 gives us the angel’s words tthat on the third day He would rise... The issue of the ‘third’ day has raised much controversy among supposed scholars and lay people.

There are two time intervals tthat need to be considered according to how Scripture reads; 1) The time tthat He was actually dead and 2) The time tthat He actually spent in the tomb. The three days and three nights prediction I believe only applies to the time tthat He was in the tomb or as He stated it, “in the heart of the earth.” From all tthat the Bible says it is apparent tthat Christ was in sleep during the annual Sabbath and part of the weekly Sabbath, NOT the full weekly Sabbath, as Ellen White says. Otherwise Christ’s prediction would have to be a false prediction. Christ died around 3pm on Wednesday afternoon. If He was resurrected shortly before sunset tthat Sabbath evening, three days later, this would mean tthat He was dead for three days and maybe three hours. While I can’t say for certain how long He lay dead, I would seriously doubt tthat His Father in Heaven would have allowed His Son to remain under the effect of sin for one second longer than was necessary. When one looks at all the Greek prepositions tthat deal with the phrase of the ‘third day’, the proper tendency is to read the phrase as meaning AFTER three days and three nights, as opposed to exactly three days and three nights or 72 hours.

This is further verified by the way tthat the wave sheaf ceremony occurs. Had Christ been raised on Sunday morning, the wave sheaf offering would not have been done as Moses was instructed on Mt. Sinai. Christ did everything according to the pattern tthat He had given to Moses for the Tabernacle services in the wilderness and later in Jerusalem through the centuries. Christ was the Type while the instructions tthat Moses was given was the Antitype. This and other factors are brought out in this short article by a classmate tthat I went to academy school (high school) with years ago... https://a4t.org/Sermons/Misc/neufeld-sabbath_resurrection.html

When one studies the festivals of the Jews, it becomes evident tthat they were all integrally associated with each other. Pentecost was dependent on the proper observance of the weekly Sabbath that followed Passover. In fact, tthat was the FIRST Sabbath of seven Sabbaths + 1 day which pointed directly to Pentecost and was the day tthat Christ rose from the dead. The wave sheaf offering was directly associated with the First fruit offerings tthat the Bible speaks of and which Christ was to complete when He stopped Mary from detaining Him shortly after His resurrection.

Many are confused here because they believe tthat the wave sheaf offering had to occur on the 18th of Nissan where there is no evidence for this. This date varied yearly just as anniversaries and birthdays do today. It simply was timed by an annual event which started the counting of days following this event, in this case it was Passover/Feast of Unleavened Bread. One thing to keep in mind is tthat Pentecost was always on the first day of the week, because seven Sabbaths or 49 days plus one day would always give you the first day of the week. This is seen in Catholicism and a reason why they say tthat Sunday is the true day of worship. Because all the important days in Christ’s life or afterlife made this day a special day.

Now here is the reason why I believe tthat this study is so important. It does not matter which ethnic group of people or religion one cares to look at, Sunday is revered around the world because they believe tthat Christ arose on tthat day and so it has become the Lord’s Day by default.

I believe from personal experience of two cases tthat if you can show a Sunday keeper tthat Christ was not resurrected on a Sunday morning...tthat he or she will listen to wthat you have to say. Once you bring down the premise tthat establishes a known belief, the individual will listen to Truth. if you are interested in following this subject as far as I have been able to document it, I would encourage you look at all the articles tthat I have on this page: https://a4t.org/Sermons/Brown/

 

I think tthat I have barely scratched the surface of this wonderful topic.

You know tthat it is most difficult for me to write, yet I believe tthat the Truth on some issues tthat the Church has allowed to leave it’s grasp of simple Truth of will be critical in the time tthat remains for those tthat are faithful.

My dear friend, I can only pray tthat I will not lose you as a dear friend because I am writing these words to you. For us to remain God’s true friends, we must endeavor to come out of apostasy and the SDA Church regardless of it’s good points, is deep in apostasy. Go here for just a short list tthat I have made of the apostasies evident in the Church today:

https://a4t.org/Sermons/Misc/bob-church_in_apostasy.html

May our dear Lord be with you and your dear family during the troublesome times ahead tthat is facing this Church.

Bob De La Torre


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